Cin7 Core

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Software de gestión de inventarios para pymes

Calificación general

4,3 /5
(712)
Relación calidad-precio
4,3/5
Funcionalidades
4,2/5
Facilidad de uso
4,2/5
Asistencia al cliente
4,4/5

87%
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Christopher
Christopher
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 9.0 /10

Dear systems deliver what if promises

Revisado el 2/2/2022

We've been using it live for one month and so far the transition has been relatively smooth.

We've been using it live for one month and so far the transition has been relatively smooth.

Puntos a favor

Comprehensive ERP features that are built with the workflow and accounting in mind. Excellent interface with Xero. Very customizable, but in an easy to understand fashion.

Desventajas

For those switching from other platforms, it could use better historical data import functionality. In particular outstanding orders. We had about 200 open orders when we made the switch, and had to enter them manually as Dear's import features could not handle our workflow.

Alternativas consideradas

Cin7 Omni y NetSuite

Razones para elegir Cin7 Core

Lightspeed retail has no ability to handle sales tax based on "ship to" address and has not integration with Avalara. In discussing with Lightspeed they seem unaware that this functionality is needed. Also, you can only integrate with one ecom site and inventory management was glitching with the inventory levels frequently wrong.

Razones para cambiar a Cin7 Core

Overall value for money, plus the focus on accounting was a strong selling point.
Philip
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio mayorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado Semanalmente durante Más de un año
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 10.0 /10

Cin7 Excellent Inventory Management

Revisado el 11/7/2023

Very easy to setup and use and excellent support when needed

Very easy to setup and use and excellent support when needed

Puntos a favor

Ease of use and almost instant access to support when required

Desventajas

No mobile app - it’s not easy to use the system in a browser on a phone

Jeffrey
Calificación general
  • Sector: Películas y largometrajes
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 2.0 /10

Buggy software with lots of issues and poor customer support

Revisado el 2/10/2024

We have used DEAR / Cin7 for 7 years now. Up until recently any bugs or issues that popped up would...

We have used DEAR / Cin7 for 7 years now. Up until recently any bugs or issues that popped up would get resolved in a somewhat timely manner however now that has changed. They are focusing on rolling out new product features that are great for marketing while sacrificing having a system that actually just works.
Do not onboard your company onto this software, you will regret it, as it seems the company who acquired DEAR has no intention of fixing the buggy nature of DEAR and just wants to try and focus on selling more subscriptions.

Puntos a favor

Cin7 is constantly improving the software.

Desventajas

They sacrifice reliability, stability and fixing bugs for improvements that they can market as a new features.

Deb
Calificación general
  • Sector: Bienes de consumo
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de un año
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 9.0 /10

An accountant's Point of View.

Revisado el 12/5/2023

Inventory control and costs with real figures to add to the P&L. Inventory true numbers easily...

Inventory control and costs with real figures to add to the P&L. Inventory true numbers easily tracked and sales with all 5 different payments on Shopify easily tracked.

Puntos a favor

Easy to learn the different modules and to teach others how.

Desventajas

When you have to undo sales orders, it completely undoes everything. The sales order should hold the inventory already taken from the system. Sometimes it is impossible to redo because the inventory is no longer available.I also wish that additional costs would add to the per unit cost of inventory.

Warwick
Calificación general
  • Sector: Sector pesquero
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 7.0 /10

Daily user of Dear

Revisado el 5/5/2023

Overall Dear is meeting our needs when connected to Xero. It meets our day to day inventory needs...

Overall Dear is meeting our needs when connected to Xero. It meets our day to day inventory needs however would be much better if it was a more complete accounting & inventory package.

Puntos a favor

Dear was straight forward and reasonably easy to set up. It is good for our daily transaction, inventory management, and handles multiple warehouses and foreign currency well.

Desventajas

Features that could be improved are: visibility of stock on hand and sell price whilst in inventory, instead one has to either drill down on each stock item or go to reports. A general ledger section that has P & L, Balance Sheet, Trial Balance, etc would also be more user friendly- instead of going to reports.

Alternativas consideradas

Sage Intacct

Razones para elegir Cin7 Core

Changed from Evolution as wanted a simpler, more user friendly, cloud based package. Preferred Dear over Unleashed due to better GL for inventory

Razones para cambiar a Cin7 Core

I could setup Dear myself, I was advised Intacct would require costly support to setup.
Paul
Calificación general
  • Sector: Electrónica de consumo
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 1.0 /10

Missing parts you think would be included - on initial sale promised 2 features & did not...

Revisado el 26/6/2023

Promised a lot at the initial sales onboarding and specifically some items were not correctly...

Promised a lot at the initial sales onboarding and specifically some items were not correctly allowed for. As such all new users will then need to add the $$$ add-ons with Cin7 which quickly diminishes the value of this software. Cin7 admits the failure and the requirement for add ons but would not offer a satisfactory outcome due to their mistake

Puntos a favor

Great cloud-based inventory and sales software

Desventajas

Some features that you would have thought every other customer would want to have are missing, the Portal is a total waste - and independent Cin7 voiced "They have lost the battle on the B2B portal" Don't expect this to work as anticipated and look to deploy another type

Alternativas consideradas

Unleashed

Razones para elegir Cin7 Core

We had to progress from site software to the cloud based software

Razones para cambiar a Cin7 Core

It was to have integration with many other software packages - without the need for $2000 extra a year
Dustin
Dustin
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 0.0 /10

Growing SMBs / Midsized Companies are taking a chance with DEAR, Enterprise should avoid at...

Revisado el 25/2/2021

They do not seem to have a very good handle on their "Official" integrations. We have a Woocommerce...

They do not seem to have a very good handle on their "Official" integrations. We have a Woocommerce store that does about 30,000 orders per month and we recently had an issue where no returns or refunds were being imported to DEAR. In the mean Time our CS agents were entering all credit notes and restocks manually in DEAR. It took almost 20 days of back and forth for DEAR to finally point out that their system was not receiving web hook notifications and was in polling mode. 20 days!

New situation, shipstation integration just stopped working. Submitted a ticket with the error details and steps to reproduce. Instead of getting any meaningful feedback, instead of their technical team just simply trying to reproduce it on their end which they would obviously do if they were developing the integration, they replied back that they needed to know the request details that shipstation is trying to send. They want the JSON payload presumably. But how in the world can they develop an integration if they don't already know what that response is supposed to be? How can they develop it without having a shipstation account of their own to test? The answer is they do and they can but they don't. It is much more convenient for them to simply kick the can down the road by telling the tier one person they need more information.

Puntos a favor

What I like most is that it is built by accountants. Costing is done better than most systems. I also like that it has a fairly strong inventory management and production modules. Purchasing / Receiving is average but the WMS below average. We use it all.

Desventajas

Customer support is absolutely horrendous. They are reasonably fast to respond but you will always be given a tier 1 support agent who can't do much but reiterate the documentation to you. Their technical team seems outsourced because in 4 years I have not been able to have a live troubleshooting session with them.

Many times they push out updates to the system which cause problems with operations and integrations.

For over 6 months we had an issue where any advanced purchase (a purchase with more than one invoice and receiving) would not place the correct receiving record with the correct invoice. And you can't even choose which receiving note to associate to which invoice. So we would have open invoices which were actually received and closed invoices which had not been received. I had dozens of back and forth messages with support and I ended up having to get a DEAR partner to reach out to them on my behalf and get in touch with someone who could actually get it fixed. Then after we got told they would work on a fix it took another month or two for the fix to be implemented. And it still isn't perfect.

Another time, the support team deleted one of my eCommerce store applications. This meant we had to re-add the store and it re-imported and duplicated about 50,000 orders, causing a disastrous mess. Technical team refused to help so we had to go page by page in the interface and void 100 at a time.

Alternativas consideradas

Odoo, NetSuite y Stitch Labs

Razones para cambiar a Cin7 Core

It was cheaper. And it was also a mistake. 4 years later and it is by far the source of the most frustration. If you're evaluating ERPs support must be your number one criteria your business will not be able move quickly if you have to fight to get information and action from your vendor's support team. The system is not bad. And in some cases the issue was with the third party they were integrating with, but these issues can never be resolved without the two teams working together. And that just does not happen at DEAR. The technical team seems like a whole other company. I suspect it is outsourced or something. The support and willingness of the technical team to help is abhorrent. I have more horror stories but I ran out of space to write.

Respuesta de Cin7

Hello Dustin,

Thank you for your feedback. As per the conversation you had with our tech support we are pleased to have being able to resolve the aforementioned issues.

We are constantly looking at ways to improve our service and your valuable feedback is highly appreciated.

Regards,
DEAR Team

Julian
Calificación general
  • Sector: Artículos deportivos
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 0.0 /10

Disappointment: Steer Clear of CIN7

Revisado el 17/6/2024

Ever since CIN7 took over DEAR Systems, the shift in focus from quality service to maximizing...

Ever since CIN7 took over DEAR Systems, the shift in focus from quality service to maximizing profits has been blatantly obvious. The deterioration in service is both rapid and frustrating.

Puntos a favor

Their customer support exists, which is something. They do respond to inquiries, albeit not always in the most helpful manner.

If you’re looking for inventory management software and are okay with navigating a complex pricing structure, CIN7 might be worth considering. There are definitely options out there, but this is one of them.

Desventajas

Their pricing is chaotic, filled with charges for unnecessary features, and the account closure process is ridiculously cumbersome, demanding a 30-day notice. It's evident they’ve designed it this way to continue extracting money from their users.

Customer support is practically non-existent. They show no willingness to assist. In all honesty, this company and its software are a waste of your resources. There are much better alternatives available. Stay away at all costs.

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Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado Semanalmente durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 8.0 /10

Good tool that does all we need, pricing and support can be improved

Revisado el 9/1/2024

Puntos a favor

Cin7 Core is feature rich and does inventory management very well. We also use it for stock control and order fulfilment.

Desventajas

For what's become a relatively large monthly investment, the support could be improved when we (rarely) need it. Even though we started small, each additional user, API and integration has quickly increased the total subscription price.

Elliot
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 6-12 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 0.0 /10

Poor Customer service

Revisado el 9/5/2024

Bad, system does not meet my requirements and this was not communicated by onboarding manager/sales

Bad, system does not meet my requirements and this was not communicated by onboarding manager/sales

Puntos a favor

It's got a variety of possible option and integration.

Desventajas

Jack of all trades master of none.

Literally does not work well if you have a complex supply chain

Justin
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 8.0 /10

System Implementation

Revisado el 2/5/2023

We just had our Go-Live a couple days ago and we haven't had any significant issues with the...

We just had our Go-Live a couple days ago and we haven't had any significant issues with the overall system.[sensitive content hidden] our Implementation Manager was great to work with, she was very helpful and fast to respond to any questions or issues that we had during the setup.

Puntos a favor

I like the ability to import purchase orders via CSV.

Desventajas

We would like more user permission controls in the POS app. We wish the Cash Management screen's cash balance wasn't visible to all users of the till.

Alternativas consideradas

Odoo y NetSuite

Razones para elegir Cin7 Core

EPOS has major issues with their purchase order modules and inventory management capabilities.

Software anterior

Epos Now

Razones para cambiar a Cin7 Core

DEAR checked most of the boxes we needed for inventory management. The speed of implementation was also a big factor for us compared to the other products we looked at.
David
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio mayorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de un año
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 0.0 /10

Terrible Customer Support. Lacks flexibility and API issues

Revisado el 21/8/2023

Decent at best

Decent at best

Puntos a favor

Order management however it is not as intuitive as you would like

Desventajas

Many issues are difficult when operating with DEAR/Cin7 Core. They do not allow you flexibility with the pricing. I purchased a annual subscription to save one month cost however, if you do so, if you need to add a POS for 1 month, you will have to purchase the entire annual year just to use it for one month. Customer support is absolutely useless and API issues can occur which cause issue with accounting. Overall they are not a great software to use but gets the job done however, at a costly amount. Customer support takes a long time to reply and half of the support are pretty useless.

Steve
Calificación general
  • Sector: Producción de alimentos
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 9.0 /10

Great Order Management Program

Revisado el 21/2/2024

Puntos a favor

Ease of Use
Integration with Shopify
Inventory Management

Desventajas

Everything works as it should. Haven't found a con yet.

Ashley
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 51-200 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de un año
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 7.0 /10

Customer Support on WMS Deployment and Set-Up

Revisado el 27/7/2023

Puntos a favor

[sensitive content hidden] was very helpful with me on the support call and answered all of my questions and gave me walkthroughs.

Desventajas

Automatic printing i believe is essential, Would be very good to have this functionality.Also WMS Scanner i feel should have more control. An example would be that the scanners should have the ability to raise transfers to and from warehouses from scratch, no input from Cin7 core on the web browser.

Katharine
Calificación general
  • Sector: Muebles
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

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  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 0.0 /10

Terrible, Terrible Software for Small Businesses

Revisado el 19/8/2023

I loathe this software. I sincerely wish we had never ever implemented. It is completely unfit...

I loathe this software. I sincerely wish we had never ever implemented. It is completely unfit for purpose for a small ecommerce business and should be not marketed as such. Unless you have staff to dedicate to this software, it's a complete waste of precious resources.

Puntos a favor

Nothing. It's been a battle from start to finish.

Desventajas

Appalling integration with Shopify and Xero.Total lack of decent supportHas driven more cost into my business than remove it - extra staff required.Incoherent logic - eg posts Sales but not corresponding COGS if fulfilment is delayed.No on screen reportingDiabolical UI

Megan
Calificación general
  • Sector: Vino y licores
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de un año
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 6.0 /10

POS investigation of ERROR

Revisado el 21/6/2023

Average when it was DEAR, improvements showing with Cin7 but many issues caused due to upgrades....

Average when it was DEAR, improvements showing with Cin7 but many issues caused due to upgrades. Tax rules have been particularly challenging.

Puntos a favor

Support member [sensitive content hidden] was terrific when investigating errors that arose with POS and Cin7

Desventajas

Not good with POS ordering. Very basic use of POS with Cin7

Harry
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio mayorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 6-12 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 9.0 /10

Product feedback

Revisado el 1/8/2023

Puntos a favor

Ease of use, Process to control the Inventory

Desventajas

I would prefer if the system would keep the items in memory upto pick stage as we have already scanned the items in Order stage.

Stefan
Calificación general
  • Sector: Dispositivos médicos
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Facilidad de uso
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 8.0 /10

Lowe Herz Med

Revisado el 2/7/2023

Very good

Very good

Puntos a favor

Inventory Control and warehouse management

Desventajas

So far we are able to do all that is needed

Jesse
Calificación general
  • Sector: Alimentación y bebidas
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de un año
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 7.0 /10

Good system overall and good price

Revisado el 29/6/2023

Very good. Key to running the business

Very good. Key to running the business

Puntos a favor

Many features and can do all inventory management in one place. Ties with quickbooks

Desventajas

Some features are confusing and take time to learn

Luke
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 8.0 /10

So far so good

Revisado el 28/4/2023

Overall it's been good. Few kins as mentioned but that is to be expected on new software. The team...

Overall it's been good. Few kins as mentioned but that is to be expected on new software. The team has been helpful and they do have a process to escalate issues such as I had which is good.

Puntos a favor

The reporting. Other products on the market at this price are poor in this department. It offers products by variant which is a necessity for us. Customer service via chat (on a small plan) has been really good. Better than expected.

Desventajas

Some things were a little different from the platform I have been coming from but that it so be expected. There have been a few clunky things that have cost us a fair bit of time when setting up such as not being able to update the ProductFamilySKU via .csv. You can only do this manually. If you update via .csv if doesn't actually update it, it creates another and then you have doubled ProductFamilySKU's. This took some working out but the chat support was very helpful. Another one was products that have no history won't show in "Availability" so it wasn;t until I entered SOH that I could see any products but products that had a value of 0 would not come up as they did not have any history. In the end I did a plus 1 stock adjustment and then -1 stock adjustment so it had a history so it would show up in availability. Some things like this have made set up take longer than it needed to as these kinks are not well known by the staff so they had to test to get answers. Again support was good but it;s more of a why does it work like this and why don't the staff know, wouldn't this happen to everyone.? Anyway, sorted now.

Eric
Calificación general
  • Sector: Bienes de consumo
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 10.0 /10

Lelior Review

Revisado el 9/5/2023

good support and assistance when I need it. All questions I have are answered professionally.

good support and assistance when I need it. All questions I have are answered professionally.

Puntos a favor

I liked that it would easily integrate with the other systems I am using for my business. Shopify, shiprush, ect.

Desventajas

maybe a better way to pull payments and pricing through shopify.

Alternativas consideradas

Cin7 Omni

Razones para cambiar a Cin7 Core

Friendly team, cin7 merge
Paul
Calificación general
  • Sector: Contabilidad
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 10.0 /10

Great Product and Service Support

Revisado el 12/5/2023

Puntos a favor

Dear is easy to use and it integrates well with Xero

Desventajas

"Comments" box to display on the list of SO's so that we don't have to open up each invoice to see the reference #'s

David
Calificación general
  • Sector: Alimentación y bebidas
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 1-5 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 9.0 /10

Great Product

Revisado el 9/6/2023

Puntos a favor

Great features: Assemblies, inventory control, best before dates, lot codes

Desventajas

Minor complaints: Having to create separate SKUs for case packs, creating custom forms for purchases/invoices is a bit of a burden and isn't streamlined in the system itsel

Nikhil
Calificación general
  • Sector: Comercio minorista
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 11-50 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante Más de dos años
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 7.0 /10

Good Customer Service

Revisado el 19/5/2023

Puntos a favor

Integration with Shopify and the E-commerce feature

Desventajas

Unable to have more integrations - there are better ways to integrate the e-commerce and I think they should look at this as its very important to scale.

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Calificación general
  • Sector: Bienes de consumo
  • Tamaño de la empresa: 2-10 empleados
  • Software usado A diario durante 6-12 meses
  • Fuente de la opinión

Calificación general

  • Relación calidad-precio
  • Facilidad de uso
  • Asistencia al cliente
  • Probabilidad de recomendación 1.0 /10

No customer service to speak of, many features do not work

Revisado el 11/4/2023

Just aweful. Their customer support is less than helpful, it's a waste of time.

Just aweful. Their customer support is less than helpful, it's a waste of time.

Puntos a favor

I dont really like it. My main need was to sync inventory across online stores, but it doesn't work. My inventory numbers drift over time, and are basically never accurate. I can't pin down the source of the errors and there is no useful customer support to speak of.

Desventajas

My main need was to sync inventory across online stores, but it doesn't work. My inventory numbers drift over time, and are basically never accurate. I can't pin down the source of the errors and there is no useful customer support to speak of.